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G-CPTN 24th March 2012 17:10

Coach driver arrested after M5 crash.
 
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the coach had broken down on the motorway minutes before the accident.
From:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17500107

More here:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17497711

G-CPTN 24th March 2012 17:22

These pictures suggest it was a bus, not a coach:- http://www.metro.co.uk/news/894101-m...nd-coach-smash

I heard a witness suggest that it was stationary in the carriageway (not the hard shoulder) with only hazard flashers, not fog-guard lamps. even though it was foggy.

G-CPTN 24th March 2012 17:38

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A 49-year-old bus driver from Birmingham has been arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving.
The single decker bus was not fitted with seatbelts.
From:- http://www.itv.com/news/story/2012-0...-3-junction-4/

G-CPTN 24th March 2012 17:47

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'At 6.12am a 999 call was made by a concerned member of the public about a coach having broken down on lane one of the M5 south.
'The Highways Agency did the appropriate signage on the network and dispatched their resources to the scene of the broken down coach as is normal practice.
'However, unfortunately at 6.24 hours a further call was received to say that a large goods vehicle had collided into the rear of the coach.
'Central Motorway police officers were immediately dispatched and arrived at the scene six minutes later.
From:- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...coach-fog.html

If they had appreciated the danger of the situation and deployed the Police immediately after the earlier 999 call they might have avoided the crash (or become involved in it!).

Sounds like the bus 'failed to proceed' with the driver attempting to restart it whilst stationary in lane 1.

Edited to add (from above):-
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The coach involved in the crash carried a logo of the company Stagecoach, but a spokesman for the firm said it had been sold to a dealer 18 months ago.
going from the Birmingham area to a place of work.

Mr Scammell 24th March 2012 19:50

Question asked at my PCV test in 1986, "what would you do if your bus broke down in the middle lane of a motorway" Answer is "get help as soon as possible". I only got it correct as another driver was asked the same question on his test and failed. His answer was get your passengers off the bus to safety before a truck turned the rear of the bus into a garage. Not really sure what is right but it would seem bus driver doing it by the book. Accident occured 12 minutes after 999 call was logged, how many vehicles passed safely before the collision?

G-CPTN 24th March 2012 21:09

Just heard that the passengers were fruit pickers en-route to Evesham.

G-CPTN 25th March 2012 12:40

Truck driver dies:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17504353

TRAMPER 25th March 2012 18:37

R.I.P driver and condolances to his family and friends

coastie 25th March 2012 18:57

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Originally Posted by TRAMPER (Post 12219)
R.I.P driver and condolances to his family and friends

Hear hear.

Mr Scammell 25th March 2012 19:45

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Originally Posted by TRAMPER (Post 12219)
R.I.P driver and condolances to his family and friends

Very sorry to hear this news.

G-CPTN 25th March 2012 19:54

I confess that when I saw the damage I was surprised that the truck driver had 'survived'.

There's not a lot of protection . . .

I don't think any trucks have airbags? (not that it helps much if the survival space disappears).

Take care those of you out there who are still driving heavies.

robertdavey6 25th March 2012 21:53

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Originally Posted by G-CPTN (Post 12222)
Take care those of you out there who are still driving heavies.

Always!

Can I add my condolences, to the family?

billh35 26th March 2012 11:52

The bus was a former Stagecoach service bus (No.20780) which had worn a promotional overall advert for "Laurel & Hardy" rather than Stagecoach corporate colours. As it had been a service bus, it was not fitted with seat belts.

Photos of the vehicle (pre-accident) can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/3557774902/

Given the road conditions reported (fog with less than 100 metres visibility) and the report at 0612 that there was a vehicle blocking Lane 1, the Highways Agency should have switched the warning lights to channel traffic out of Lane 1 into Lanes 2 and 3 and should have despatched the Police and Traffic Officers to the scene as a broken down bus/coach full of people should be a major emergency. I would have thought that the bus driver should also have evacuated the passengers to a place of safety.

Having said that, the FW truck must have hit the stationary bus at some speed given the distance the vehicle was projected (given that its' brakes were on).

There are a lot of contributory elements to this tragic accident. My thoughts and condolences go to all of the next of kin and relatives.

G-CPTN 26th March 2012 12:06

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Originally Posted by billh35 (Post 12228)
As it had been a service bus, it was not fitted with seat belts.

Where does that leave the legality of operating it to transport workers over a significant distance? - ie not a stage vehicle.

coastie 27th March 2012 14:19

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17521889

coastie 27th March 2012 14:21

What I don't understand it is, given that the bus was reported as being on the inside lane how did the wagon collide with it on that side and not the other way around? (Wagons nearside colliding with buses offside.)

robertdavey6 27th March 2012 18:53

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Originally Posted by coastie (Post 12236)
What I don't understand it is, given that the bus was reported as being on the inside lane how did the wagon collide with it on that side and not the other way around? (Wagons nearside colliding with buses offside.)

The obvious suggestion is that he couldn't swerve out, in to lane 2, due to overtaking traffic. So he tried to go up the hard shoulder, to avoid it.
Another possibility is that he was foreign and more used to a LHD vehicle. In which case, I think the instinct would be to swerve left, rather than right/ I do know that F.W. do employ some Polish drivers but, I don't think we know if this was one of them.

G-CPTN 27th March 2012 18:57

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Originally Posted by robertdavey6 (Post 12239)
The obvious suggestion is that he couldn't swerve out, in to lane 2, due to overtaking traffic. So he tried to go up the hard shoulder, to avoid it.
Another possibility is that he was foreign and more used to a LHD vehicle. In which case, I think the instinct would be to swerve left, rather than right/ I do know that F.W. do employ some Polish drivers but, I don't think we know if this was one of them.

The deceased driver was a 65 year-old from Wells, Somerset.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17521889

coastie 27th March 2012 20:29

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Originally Posted by robertdavey6 (Post 12239)
The obvious suggestion is that he couldn't swerve out, in to lane 2, due to overtaking traffic. So he tried to go up the hard shoulder, to avoid it.
Another possibility is that he was foreign and more used to a LHD vehicle. In which case, I think the instinct would be to swerve left, rather than right/ I do know that F.W. do employ some Polish drivers but, I don't think we know if this was one of them.

Yes, that ocurred to me later.


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