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Bobjork

19th December 2008 09:32

30m roadtrain to be tested in Sweden

For the moment 30m lumber roadtrains are tested between Överkalix and Munksund. The project is called "En trave till" (One pile more) and is meant to reduce the number of lorrys on the roads, and be more environment-friendly.
A Volvo FH16, with a dolly, link and trailer is used in the test.
The train has a gross weight of 90t, but there are only 8-9 t on each axle.

http://www.trailer.se/news.php?id=4427 (In Swedish)

Western SMT

19th December 2008 12:32

In English I hope -

http://translate.google.co.uk/transl...%3Den%26sa%3DG

Western SMT

19th December 2008 13:24

This seems to be connected to the 'Green Corridor' concept, make them bigger so the number of trucks on the road are reduced as are fuel and wage costs.

http://www.truckandbusforum.com/showthread.php?t=694

Dingbat

19th December 2008 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Western SMT (Post 2015)

bigger trucks less jobs.i think denby are trialing something similar to the double b,s.60 ton g.v.w.rail frieght aren,t happy about it.

Bobjork

19th December 2008 22:32

Sorry for posting it wrong...

An thank you for the translation link... not the best maybe. :)

Yea, it has something to do with less trucks is greener....

by the way; todays maximum length in Sweden is 24m (78.74 ft) or 25,25m (82.02 ft) with dolly and trailer behind the truck.
So its 'only' 5m (16 ft) more

G-CPTN

19th December 2008 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobjork (Post 2057)

less trucks is greener....

A (constructive) comment:- fewer trucks (less is used for things like fluids or powders - ie items that can be counted use fewer).
OK, I realise that English isn't your native language, but you're doing pretty good - much better than I could do in Swedish! Even native Brits get it wrong by the way.

Bobjork

19th December 2008 23:25

Thank you, I'll try to remember that.
Yes, english is not my native language, but I use it a lot. Born and raised with computers, and in the 80's the computer language was english...

One thing that many swedes get wrong ins how to pronounce W.
So we say window like it is spelled vindov sometimes. Even I do it.
That's because in Swedish (and all the other nordic languages (except Icelandic), W and V is the same letter...

deckboypeggy

23rd December 2008 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobjork (Post 2060)

Hi BOBJORK,well done i think you writing and english grammer are very good. its taken me 64 years to get to my standard now[english grammer] i understand what you are saying about the GRREN MOVEMENT it is in road haulage now in a big way.what you all want is"longer beds and longer in them" i drove for the last 23 years in europe and a lot of times i was pleased to see a ,swedish,danish ,norwegien, dutch, belege,etctruck, as i knew you would nearly all know the German language and that would get you out of trouble,at boarder controls.i could only talk gibberish to those austrian and hatefull SWISS,mien herr,however we allways got through with a little bit of help from people like you,goodluck regards Deckboypeggy.

Western SMT

23rd December 2008 18:53

Brussels is shy of a public discussion about mega trucks ahead of the elections in the European Union in June 2009.
It is known Switzerland and Austria are against the idea

Western SMT

21st March 2009 19:14

After weeks of dithering and uncertainty, the government is expected to announce a study into running longer semi-trailers on UK roads

http://www.roadtransport.com/Article...ler-study.html

Denmark has become the latest country to test 60-tonne 25.25-metre trucks on its roads. The longer heavier vehicles (LHVs) will be allowed on specified main roads from 24 November for a three-year trial period.

G-CPTN

21st March 2009 19:40

How will a longer trailer be transported to the test site? Will it require an STGO permit?

http://www.roadtransport.com/Article...ype-trial.html

Western SMT

21st March 2009 20:01

Loads up to 30.0 metres long can be moved under STGO so imagine this how it would be done - where?

G-CPTN

21st March 2009 20:06

13th August 2008:-

Quote:

Tinkler met with Stephen Fidler, head of freight logistics at the DfT, to present his idea for a trailer that is 950mm longer than standard, with a steering rear axle to maintain the current turning circle. He says that Stobart has now asked trailer firm SDC to build a prototype for off-road testing.

Bobjork

23rd March 2009 08:42

What's the maximum length in great britain?

In sweden it is 24 or 25.25 as I wrote earlier.
If you want to see lots of 25.25 of different types, just go to Värtan och Stockholms Frihamn (Freeport) when a ship from Finland or the baltic countries arrive. :D

Western SMT

23rd March 2009 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobjork (Post 4072)

What's the maximum length in great britain?

In sweden it is 24 or 25.25 as I wrote earlier. :D

It is easier just to show this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-trailer_truck

Bobjork

23rd March 2009 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Western SMT (Post 4073)

It is easier just to show this link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-trailer_truck

A picture of the swedish 30m roadtrain, from Wikipedia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e/e0/6440a.jpg

Looks like a B-double pulled with a dolly :)

Ah, missed that article. Thanks.
Maximum lenght for buses in Sweden is
12 m for buses with 2 axles
15 m for buses with 3 axles
18 m for articulated buses
24 m for double articulated buses

G-CPTN

25th March 2009 17:33

The resumee about STGO in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-tr...United_Kingdom suggests that an escort is required.
Whilst some extreme vehicles do usually have an accompanying vehicle I don't think that this is universal?

Quote:

Most UK trailers are 45 feet (13.5 meters) long and, dependent on the position of the fifth wheel and kingpin, a coupled tractor unit and trailer will have a combined length of between 50 and 55 feet (15.25 and 16.75 meters). Although the Construction and Use Regulations allow a maximum rigid length of 60 feet (18.2 meters), this combined with a shallow kingpin and fifth wheel set close to the rear of the tractor unit can give an overall length of around 75 feet (22.75 meters), although combinations of this length are usually used only to carry steel or concrete beams. Providing certain requirements are fulfilled, a Special Types General Order (STGO) allows for vehicles of any size or weight to travel on UK roads. However, in practice any such vehicle has to travel by a route authorised by the Department of Transport and move under escort. The escort of abnormal loads in the UK is now predominantly carried out by private companies, but extremely large or heavy loads that require road closures must still be escorted by the police.

So what is the maximum (none STGO) length that could be regularly used for general haulage? 60ft trailer plus 15 ft tractor?
What about a 'standard' 45 ft trailer with a long-wheelbase conventional tractor?

Western SMT

25th March 2009 19:03

Should find your answer here -

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety...nitions?page=1

G-CPTN

25th March 2009 22:52

Phew! My head-bone hurts after that . . .

Bobjork

26th March 2009 02:01

In sweden there are no police escorts of heavy or long vehicles. The escort is carried out with private companys, and if a road needs to be closed, a Vägtransportledare (Road Transport Leader) is allowed to do that.

Western SMT

31st August 2009 09:27

The fall in available business credit will limit the take-up of longer semi-trailers, even if the government approves their use, according to the RHA.

http://www.roadtransport.com/Article...r-take-up.html

Western SMT

4th October 2009 17:49

The European Union is preparing to sweep aside British objections and allow 60-ton foreign “mega-lorries” to be driven on roads in the UK

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6860143.ece

G-CPTN

27th October 2009 12:52

Update on longer trailers.

Quote:

the event at the Millbrook proving ground in Bedfordshire last week was an opportunity to give practical demonstrations of the longer vehicle.
Guests at the event were shown the turning circle and rear swing of the longer artic (using a 14.9m-long Kögel Big- MAXX trailer) compared with a unit using a standard 13.6m trailer and a drawbar outfit of 18.75m.
However, a note of caution was voiced by Simon Chamberlain, MD of Crewe-based Chamberlain Transport, who also sits on Iveco's project steering group. He says he is particularly concerned that the new trailers will not be "payload neutral" (i.e. there will be no overall weight increase to compensate for the extra weight of the longer trailer). He adds: "My customers who already weigh-out aren't going to accept an 800kg reduction in payload to satisfy my other customers who want an increase in capacity. But if my customer who is cubing-out wants that extra space, then I have got to look at it.
"We have got to be very careful otherwise we will end up with a situation where we are only able to do certain loads." Chamberlain is also deputy chairman of the Transport Association and says the majority of its members share his views on the topic. For its part, Montracon, Iveco's trailer partner in the project, anticipates that a longer trailer would cost £1,000-£1,500 more than a 13.6m model.
Paul Mead, the firm's sales and marketing director, says he has been approached by snack food manufacturer Walkers Crisps about the possibility of a longer standard. He adds: "They will appeal mainly to a certain segment of road transport and it will be mainly own-account operators who derive the most value from it." He warns that general hauliers should not be bullied into giving away any extra revenue they can earn from the longer units. A DfT-sponsored study into the effects of an increase in trailer length of up to 2.05m is due to report in December.

From (and more at):- http://www.roadtransport.com/Article...est-track.html

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