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rrau 19th August 2011 13:09

What bus is this?
 
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This photo was shot by a German soldier in Finish Lappland sometime during spring 1942 and summer 1944. I have tried to identify the bus manufacturer and model, but have so far failed. Anyone who can help me out here?

Rune

davidb 19th August 2011 13:30

The radiator looks Ford/Fordson-ish.

Ian 19th August 2011 13:36

I thought that!

G-CPTN 19th August 2011 14:02

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Originally Posted by davidb (Post 11017)
The radiator looks Ford/Fordson-ish.

My initial reaction, too!
What presence did Ford have in Germany?

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Until 27 January 1950 all Ford's European operations other than in the USSR were run from Dagenham.
The earliest presence of the Ford Motor Company in Germany was a parts operation set up in Hamburg in 1912. It was not until 1925 that an assembly plant was constructed in Berlin where Model T trucks were made from imported parts.
In 1931 production moved to a new plant in Cologne on a site made available by the mayor of the city, Konrad Adenauer and from that time an increasing proportion of the Ford vehicles sold in Germany were also made in Germany rather than being imported.
With the outbreak of war, car production continued at first with the Taunus being made until 1942 but increasingly military production took over, building trucks and armed personnel carriers for the German armed forces. Most notably was the V3000 V-8 truck series.
From Wiki.

Ford V3000:- http://www.9thsspanzer.com/Images/Ph...uck2004-01.jpg

davidb 19th August 2011 14:16

From CF Klapper's British Lorries, 1900-1945:

http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/...7/DSCI0343.jpg

G-CPTN 19th August 2011 14:53

1935 Ford bus:- http://media.photobucket.com/image/1...rdschbus35.jpg

Ian 19th August 2011 15:01

So Rune I think we can safely say it is a Ford. Also welcome to the forum.

rrau 20th August 2011 09:36

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Thank you all, it is great to get expert help on this topic! I had previously checked out the Ford as a possibility, but obviously the newer versions 1937-39, which has a quite different radiator look. Great to have an ID on that bus.

I continue with an other bus, from same source and same place. The photo is a bit dark, but the bus is still quite visible. The radiator is covered, but the shape should give some ideas about the manufacturer. Though the key information is the lion on the top of the radiator, which I also have made larger on a separate scann. I have looked around on the net and consulted various books about trucks and buses, but so far I have failed to find this lion anywhere. Any suggestions?

Rune

davidb 20th August 2011 10:11

Wild guess: Scania-Vabis?

http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikiped...Truck_1950.jpg

G-CPTN 20th August 2011 13:32

I would say that the bus is of German or Austrian origin (based on the script on the destination blind).

Someone needs to have a breakthrough with that lion emblem . . .

Not Saurer (Swiss) or Henschel as far as I can tell (and not Mercedes Benz).

G-CPTN 20th August 2011 14:08

How about MAN?
http://images-mediawiki-sites.theful...1459711428.jpg

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The lion comes from Büssing AG, a company that MAN acquired in 1971
http://www.german.o5m6.de/Buessing-NAG_logo.jpg
(though I cannot find a photograph of a solid lion on the top of the radiator!)

davidb 20th August 2011 15:07

The long bonnet looks about right:
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/k/bc/b...ichspost_W.jpg

And the lion emblem may not be an original, of course.

rrau 26th August 2011 11:55

I agree it looks about right with a Büssing-NAG. I just notice that Büssing-NAG has whipers mounted on the bottom of the front windows, while the bus on the photo has it mounted on the top (but that probably differs from model to model). Also, the front doors have different shapes. And I believe the lion on the radiator is genuine. Looks like this might be a hard nut to crush...

Rune

G-CPTN 26th August 2011 12:11

More photographs here:-
http://www.autogallery.org.ru/m/bueomnib.htm

snapper2 27th August 2011 08:25

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Originally Posted by G-CPTN (Post 11031)
I would say that the bus is of German or Austrian origin (based on the script on the destination blind).

Someone needs to have a breakthrough with that lion emblem . . .

Not Saurer (Swiss) or Henschel as far as I can tell (and not Mercedes Benz).

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Originally Posted by G-CPTN (Post 11075)

Guys, I am not the greatest at identification, but I am going to throw a spanner in. Looking at the radiator, my first thought was Mercedes but after a few minutes I changed my mind and thought Citroen, there are others with a better knowledge of the marque who may find that hysterical but there you are. The image of the lion, doesn't look right to me, and it looks more Canine, and to my eye (our business is based in the canine sector) although not an expert ,I would have placed it as a Standard Poodle. I half expect ridicule, but please bear in mind that these dogs were used extensively on the continent for military, police and retrieving work. A highly intelligent animal.


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